I needed a suit for a carribean vacation in which we knew there would be lots of water sports. I bought these with the idea that I liked the full boxer brief liner, and I wanted a suit that I could wear out after being on the beach without looking like a guy wearing a swimsuit. I think the shorts are passable enough in this respect. My big issue was that I read reviews saying these ran small, and I found that the opposite was probably true, or maybe it is more fair to say they run true to size. The shorts, tightened down as far as they would go, were still too loose for my tastes. I'm 38, and not 17, so maybe I don't understand the desire for your underwear to show. If not for the liner securing to the shorts, I'm pretty sure I would have lost these a couple times. In fact, when it was time to snorkel I decided to wear a pair of running shorts with a liner vice worrying about my butt hanging out.I can see that this is a quality product, but perhaps it was just executed poorly. I won't be in a rush to buy this brand again.